The Cult: Interview with Ian Astbury: Cult Culture Andrea Seastrand September 9, 2009 Interviews 6 Astbury on critics, music snobbery, and raspberry jam: This whole generation of kids who pride themselves on their knowledge of the entire discography of a band, like the Pitchfork Media kids, their critique about a thing is like, ‘Artist X: 5.3’ or ‘Artist C: 7.1.’ But then you actually look at their gestation of music and the thing that they don’t have is a cultural reference of the time that those albums were made in. So with all respect to critics, there’s a lot of self-importance in critics who almost do this intellectual bullying, the assumption that everybody out there has a college education. Most people don’t. Most people just work by intuition. And to me intuition’s something you can’t teach; it’s something you evolve. And that taste and intuition are something you can’t really articulate. That perspective is a clear perspective so, instead of critiquing work based upon a more academic knowledge, whereby you are educated in an academic situation, the actual fieldwork is so different, the conditions are completely different. To me the best critic has always been the individual. You’re your own critic. For the most part, in my life, the things I’ve been turned on to have usually been a picture of a musician that looks exciting or compelling or whatever, or a friend saying, ‘Hey, check this out.’ It’s always been word of mouth. You have to be present. You have to taste the raspberry jam, as John Lennon said. I can’t explain the taste of raspberry jam. You’ve got to eat it. So that’s what’s wonderful about the visual medium and film. There it is. Right in front of you. You can see it. There’s not this little guy inside your head saying, ‘Okay, this is how you’re supposed to look at this.’ Who are you to tell me how to look at this? That’s what’s nice about getting a little bit older and you sort of grow into it. I know what I like and I know what I don’t like. My experiences inform me. A critic doesn’t inform me on how to look at a piece of work or a piece of art. It’s a great time for culture and culture’s accessible, not just for the lofty educated, wealthy, who make their money by dark means [laughs]. Slave owners and fucking exploiters… Astbury on hope for the future and avoiding the nostalgic trap: If you trust nature, if you trust the higher laws of nature and the universe, nature will correct itself. And no matter what we did to ourselves, what we did to our planet, nature will balance that out. For example, if you’re completely dying out on white bread, white sugar, pastas, potatoes in your cultural food group and then you’re looking at material like all these Seth Rogen films, if that’s your cultural diet then obviously you’re going to end up with cancer, in a manner of speaking. But if you’re eating raw, organic foods and looking at material that’s more stimulating and has that level of insight—I have two teenagers—and it’s really interesting to see what they’ll ingest in the culture. They will love something like Pineapple Express, but then they hear the White album and they’re absolutely blown, destroyed by that. My 14-year-old is obsessed with The Beatles and Bob Marley. And because of the Mozarts, Van Goghs, because of the ability of the artist to articulate exactly every level and aspect of an experience in a way that communicates, in a way that is compelling, in a way that draws you in, there’s subtext in there. Let’s put it that way. That’s what we’re missing. The subtext isn’t there. We’ve refined our cultural products. We’ve done the same thing we’ve done with our foods. We’ve taken all the nutrients out. All the nutrients have been extracted and what is fed is the sugar, the high fructose, instant sugar on your tongue. But for those of us who are going around talking in nostalgic terms, we have to check ourselves. All that nostalgic talk doesn’t serve anything. When I sit down with people sometimes they go, ‘Well, it used to be this way and used to be that way.’ Get over it. Because right now is all we’ve got and this is what’s going on right now, so engage. It’s your job as an artist or a cultural observer to engage in this right now. Yeah, 78 RPMs used to be fantastic; I like black and white films without dialogue in them. But that doesn’t serve anything. You’re not present. As an artist you’ve got to be present. Great artists are present. They define their times and reflect their times. Get out there and contribute. We need contributors in our culture now. The attitude should be, ‘Give me a shovel. Where do I start digging?’ The Cult will be performing on Friday, Sept.11 at Terminal 5. For more, visit thecult.us. 6 Responses Eve from Eden September 9, 2009 I agree and hang on to every word Ian says. Reply Sacred Soul // The Cult Fan Club September 11, 2009 Right on brother! That’s the only way to make some real ART. Reply Jason in San Diego September 11, 2009 Not only does the music of the Cult rip open the soul and inject new fuel, but Ian’s words are so poignant and true, so dead spot on. Thanks, Ian. Reply a fan September 11, 2009 i also hang on every word he says & have for many years. but that monologue was a heaping pile of judgement and contradiction. dude seems to need a reality check: his ruminations reek of self-involvement. – the opposite of “engage in this right now”. CFFC Reply Shawn September 21, 2009 Since attending The Cult show in Phoenix, AZ last month I’ve been revisiting everything post-“Love”. Ian and Billy are so awesome – there’s nothing I’d like to see more right now than for the world to wake up and see what an amazing band they are. Reply April October 3, 2009 All I can say is that I love The Cult, have for about 21 years now… I DID get kind of lost in the NIN moment for a lot of years and not much else existed but for some reason the Cult came into the forefront again very recently… I have been setting myself up for a lot of soul-searching and not falling backwards and Ian’s words are just pure inspiration to me. So thanks so much Ian, and all the best. Reply Leave a Reply to Jason in San Diego Cancel Reply Your email address will not be published.CommentName* Email* Website Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment.